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By Rasmus Larsen
#12398
VoidToast wrote:There is a fascinating video on Youtube from a German TV reviewer, sadly it's all in German and I can only get the basic gist of it but they seem to be saying that Philips motion smoothing gives the effect of 60fps on 30fps console games with tolerable input lag and do side by side tests with an LG OLED to compare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eYH_me14pg

It would be interesting to see if you could do a second piece on the POS9002 to see if their findings hold true.


Unfortunately, we've returned the set. We accept that frame interpolation may have some advantages for gaming, if input lag remains low, but we didn't check.

For all other scenarios, we feel that motion interpolation should be abolished. If the TV industry wants smoother and better motion they should move to HFR (High Frame Rate). Address the problem at its root. Just our opinion, and one of the reasons why we generally ignore the motion interpolation systems in TV reviews.
By Kuschelmonschter
#12399 Motion interpolation does so much more than that. Apps on Sony Android TV render at a permanent 60 frames per second. No way to change the refresh rate as the respective APIs are not implemented. I don't mind so much about 24p as I am pretty fine with a 3:2 pulldown. What really hurts is playing PAL video at 60Hz. I typically set Motionflow Smoothness in the middle on my Sony (3). It does not add any soap opera effect. Artifacting is also at a very minimum. The upconversion from 25/50fps to 60fps removes judder introduced by the discrepancy between source fps and output Hz pretty well...

Even in Europe, 50Hz is not the default anymore for today's TVs. As I said, Android TV on my Sony is rendered at 60fps. And if you play some 60fps video, it is perfectly smooth, whereas 50fps video stutters unless you engage some Motionflow. The world is moving. Most content on Netflix and Amazon is 24p which plays much better at 60Hz using a 3:2 pulldown. Also on YouTube, you will find lots of 24p/30p/60p content. Still you need a way to properly play 25/50fps PAL content, either by switching refresh rate (which is not possible on Sony) or by engaging some mild motion interpolation.

Things are of course different for HDMI where the connected player controls refresh rate.
By joan.esteve
#12411 Hello Rasmus,

I finally get this Philips model, and I noticed throught Input Lag Test of your Web, that PC mode have less Input Lag than Game Mode. Its about 20,5 ms in PC mode vs 31,8 in GAME mode in my measuraments.

Do you noticed that? What is the diference between the two modes?

Pc mode can enable HDR?

Thanks a lot.
By Nyb
#12412
Kuschelmonschter wrote:
Most things inside apply to Philips as well, as apart from the panel, it is almost the same as Sony...

...meaning you simply do not recommend the 9002? Good display with lousy everything else...?
By joan.esteve
#12414
Rasmus Larsen wrote:Our review of Philips POS9002 OLED is online. It's a 2017 OLED with with the P5 video processor, 4K, HDR, Android TV, and Ambilight.
Link: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php? ... 1505461623

If you have questions please use this thread.

Enjoy.


Hello Rasmus,

I finally get this Philips model, and I noticed throught Input Lag Test of your Web, that PC mode have less Input Lag than Game Mode. Its about 20,5 ms in PC mode vs 31,8 in GAME mode in my measuraments.

Do you noticed that? What is the diference between the two modes?

Pc mode can enable HDR?

Thanks a lot.
By joan.esteve
#12416
Rasmus Larsen wrote:I didn't take a measurement for input lag in the PC mode. How did you measure it?

I no longer have POS9002 around so I can't check.


Thanks for your answering.

I measured throught Input Lag Test of your Web. I know that is not a 100% valid method, but the diferences between PC mode and Game mode are about 10 ms on average.
By Kuschelmonschter
#12421 According to Kodi community, Philips started the OTA Nougat rollout in some regions.

Code: Select allNOTICE: Kodi compiled Aug 22 2017 by GCC 4.9.0 for Android ARM 32-bit API level 21 (API level 21)
NOTICE: Running on PHILIPS QM163E with Android 7.1.2 API level 25, kernel: Linux ARM 32-bit version 3.10.79
By joan.esteve
#12426
Kuschelmonschter wrote:According to Kodi community, Philips started the OTA Nougat rollout in some regions.

Code: Select allNOTICE: Kodi compiled Aug 22 2017 by GCC 4.9.0 for Android ARM 32-bit API level 21 (API level 21)
NOTICE: Running on PHILIPS QM163E with Android 7.1.2 API level 25, kernel: Linux ARM 32-bit version 3.10.79


Great!

Kodi DTS Passthrough?

Regards.